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Response to Selinger on Dreyfus

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My claim is clear and unambiguous: no machine will pass a well-designed Turing Test unless we find some means of embedding it in lived social life. We have no idea how to do this but my argument, and all our evidence, suggests that it will not be a necessary condition that the machine have more than a minimal body. Exactly how minimal is still being worked out.

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  1. Lest there be any misunderstanding, all parties to the debate believe that having ‘intelligence’ implies having a store of tacit knowledge that cannot be acquired through formal means; the argument is about how it is acquired. Dreyfus stresses the importance of the body and does not much discuss the importance of embedding in society. Collins stresses the importance of embedding in society. Collins believes, more-or-less, that embedding in the language of the society is enough to afford fluency in the language, including its references to practical matters. In sum, Collins stresses embedding, not embodying; Dreyfus stresses embodying and does not talk much about embedding. The key to the debate might be how much embodying is necessary for embedding.

  2. The claim about Collins’s abilities in respect of gravitational wave physics and other empirical evidence along the same lines will be found in Collins, Evan, Ribeiro, & Hall, 2006. Other arguments made here are supported and illustrated in Collins, 2004; Collins and Evans, 2007; Selinger, Dreyfus and Collins, 2008 and the materials that can be found at http://www.cf.ac.uk/socsi/expertise.

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Collins, H.M. Response to Selinger on Dreyfus. Phenom Cogn Sci 7, 309–311 (2008). https://doi.org/10.1007/s11097-007-9049-z

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