Abstract
Although the importance of the psychiatric diagnostic interview is undeniable in the actual clinical practice, its peculiarities as a specific kind of interpersonal phenomenon have not attracted much attention in the literature. This chapter approaches the diagnostic interview from the perspective of research on social cognition, by drawing on discussions about the difference between second-person and third-person relations. We start by motivating a picture of the diagnostic interview according to which the clinician has to draw on multiple sources of diagnostically relevant information. This picture leads to the question of how to approach the complexity of the interview, and the role that the distinction between second-person and third-person relations might play for a better understanding of it. By elaborating on a conceptualization of second-person relations which foregrounds the roles of reciprocity and communication, we propose that second- and third-person relations are complementary methodological tools by means of which the clinician seeks to gain a better understanding of the patient.
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Thought processes are obviously hard to detect if the patient does not communicate linguistically, and one may argue that they do not belong to the expressive features. This issue involves a long debate about the relation between thinking and speech that we will leave out here. Formal thought disorders are here included as an expressive feature showing itself in the speech of the patient, but often without semantic disturbances, e.g., by responding with an answer that is only slightly related to the main topic of the question being asked (tangentiality).
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See [6] for a critical review.
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A phenomenological characterization of the clinical encounter along these lines can be found in the work of Gurwitsch. Although Gurwitsch’s work didn’t focus on psychiatry, his view captures a traditional picture: “when the doctor confronts a mental patient whose condition he wishes to diagnose. […] there is no common situation at all obtaining between doctor and patient, in the sense that with respect to this situation they would do something with one another. We only say, however, that a common situation obtains where people do something with one another and, accordingly, live as situational partners. The doctor, however, has before him an object that he investigates—everything that he does and says to and with the patient is guided by this intention. For his part, the patient lives in his world, which we call a pathological world; from and on the basis of this world the patient speaks to the doctor. For the doctor, the patient is not a situational partner together with whom he does something in and according to the sense of a common situation—as his colleague would be when he gives advice about the case. The patient is, instead, an object which the doctor will know and define. To the same extent as the patient, the doctor also has his own situation, the sense of which is to penetrate into the world of the patient but which is not shared as something in common with the patient. As a consequence, the language of the doctor also does not possess the structure of ‘speaking together’ [...], because doctor and patient are by no means ‘together with each other’ in the genuine sense.” ([29], p. 17).
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“At its heart, a second-person relation involves the experience of being addressed by another, of being seen as a You by another person, and of the mutuality that is generated in seeing the other as a You in turn.” ([41], p. 437).
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This goes against Brinck and Reddy’s more radical rendering of the second-person perspective as one that may be applicable to the inanimate world. One central example in their discussion is the engagement between potter and clay ([45], p. 25).
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Felipe León and Dan Zahavi received funding from the European Research Council (ERC) under the European Union’s Horizon 2020 research and innovation programme (grant agreement No. 832940). Maja Zandersen and Dan Zahavi acknowledge funding from the Carlsberg Foundation (grant ID: CF18-1107), and Patricia Meindl from the Independent Research Fund Denmark (grant ID: DFF-7013- 00032).
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León, F., Zandersen, M., Meindl, P., Zahavi, D. (2022). The Distinction Between Second-Person and Third-Person Relations and Its Relevance for the Psychiatric Diagnostic Interview. In: Biondi, M., Picardi, A., Pallagrosi, M., Fonzi, L. (eds) The Clinician in the Psychiatric Diagnostic Process . Springer, Cham. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-90431-9_4
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