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Eschatological and Related Myths

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The determination which of the many possible passages in Plato are mythical will depend, as already noted, on which definition of myth is adopted. Those who see no myths at all have the easiest task, whether they are defending Plato, like Findlay, or attacking him, like Popper. They may well be willing to refer to ‘myths’, but this is simply because a misnomer has so passed into common usage that it would be pedantic to insist on some other term. Where, however, the presence of myths in the Platonic dialogues is freely acknowledged, there is still much confusion in the definitions of myth and therewith in the selection of those passages to be interpreted accordingly. Purely mechanical criteria, like the superficial determination whether the form of a passage is narration or dialogue, or detecting the presence in or about it of some characteristic term meaning ‘myth’ or a near equivalent, are equally useless, as Frutiger has shown. But his own criteria, while much more intelligent and sensitive to the text, founder in part because he insists on treating certain unquestionably mythical passages as dialectical because they embody ‘self-evident propositions’. Yet, leaving their alleged selfevidenceevidence to one side, that is precisely why I believe they are mythical, as I have argued in the section on Frutiger in chapter 3.

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  1. K. Reinhardt, Platons Mythen (Bonn, 1927) says There is hardly one among his dialogues in which the realm of death is not mentioned.’ (27)

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  2. B. Jowett, The Dialogues of Plato (3rd edn, Oxford, 1892);

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  3. J. A. Stewart, The Myths of Plato (London, 1905), who, as noted in chapter 3, gratuitously adds a Kantian idiom.

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  4. Josef Pieper, Ueber die platonischen Mythen (Munich, 1965), writes from a Christian perspective. He cites (85) Walter Willi, Versuch einer Grundlegung der platonischen Mythopiie (Zurich, 1925) 13, who says that ‘almost all that is mythical in Plato is somehow otherworldly’, and Paul Tillich, Religion in Geschichte und Gegenwart, Vol. 4 (3rd edn), 363 ff. (article on ‘Myth’): ‘Myth is divine history. That is the definition of the word that cannot be abandoned’; moreover, ‘it is not a literary, but a religious category.’

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  5. E. Frank, Platon und die sogenannten Pythagoräer (Halle, 1923), 194–8, shows the extent to which Plato modified the eschatological myths to be consonant with the newly available discoveries in astronomy and mathematics, rather than simply following the classical versions.

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  6. Cf. Phaedo 107C. See also Pieper, op. cit., 39: ‘Evil-doing does not end with the deed.’

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  7. Op. cit., 30, n. 2.

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  8. Taylor (Plato, 305) suggests ‘founders of religion’, but there is no warrant for such an interpretation of this difficult passage. There is a valuable, if inconclusive, article by Ivan M. Linforth: ‘Telestic Madness in Plato, Phaedrus 244DE’, University of California Publications in Classical Philology, XIII (1944–50), 163–72. Linforth rejects Taylor, Pfister, Delatte, and refers to Wilamowitz’ bafflement. He also rejects the house of Atreus among others (Orchomenus, Proetides) which suffered such divine wrath, as well as Thompson’s suggestion that the inclusion of a phrase from Euripides’ Phoenisse (palaion ek menimaton) in this passage might be an allusion to this play. He points out that madness does play a role in the play, but it brings no relief. Instead he suggests that Socrates was here creating a myth with a specifically Hellenic background that, without reference to any known case, would ring a bell in the Greek mind.

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  9. Stanley Rosen, Plato’s Symposium (New Haven, 1968), 169–73, quite correctly sees in Agathon’s egoistical substitution of the product of his own imagination for an objective reality a powerful threat to Socrates’ position. This is indeed an anticipation of Nietzschean creativity, the kind of aestheticism to which Plato is most bitterly opposed.

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  10. Most recently reconsidered by Phyllis Young Forsyth in Atlantis (Croom Helm, 1980). This includes some review of the Platonic versions, chiefly from the perspective cited above (Timaeus 22E), but also argues that the Critias version of Atlantis is modelled on Syracuse and was a thinly disguised warning by Plato to Dionysius of what might happen to him. Let me also mention, with some regret, a recent (1981) television movie in which Captain Nemo, revived after a hundred years of suspended animation, goes in quest of the Atlanteans, who turn out not to have been revived at all.

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  11. Friedländer, op. cit., (204 ff.) treats this as a political myth, for example.

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Elias, J.A. (1984). Eschatological and Related Myths. In: Plato’s Defence of Poetry. St Antony’s Series. Palgrave Macmillan, London. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-1-349-06954-5_4

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